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    Did the Virgin Mary suffer the pains of childbirth?

    The Virgin Mary did not suffer pain in childbirth:

    But as the Conception itself transcends the order of nature, so the birth of our Lord presents to our contemplation nothing but what is divine.
    Besides, what is admirable beyond the power of thoughts or words to express, He is born of His Mother without any diminution of her maternal virginity, just as He afterwards went forth from the sepulchre while it was closed and sealed, and entered the room in which His disciples were assembled, the doors being shut; or not to depart from every-day examples, just as the rays of the sun penetrate without breaking or injuring in the least the solid substance of glass, so after a like but more exalted manner did Jesus Christ come forth from His mother's womb without injury to her maternal virginity. ................ To Eve it was said: In sorrow shalt thou bring forth children. Mary was exempt from this law, for preserving her virginal integrity inviolate she brought forth Jesus the Son of God without experiencing, as we have already said, any sense of pain.
    CATECHISM OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT
    PART 1: THE CREED
    Article III

    We can also know what the Church believes from her prayers:

    In the preface of the votive Mass in honor of Mary at the foot of the cross, we read the words: “She who had given Him birth without the pains of childbirth was to endure the greatest of pains in bringing forth to new life the family of the Church.”
    http://www.cst-phl.com/marian.html

    On the contrary, Augustine says (Sermone de Nativitate supposititious), addressing himself to the Virgin-Mother: "In conceiving thou wast all pure, in giving birth thou wast without pain."
    I answer that, The pains of childbirth are caused by the infant opening the passage from the womb. Now it has been said above (Q28,A2, Replies to Objections), that Christ came forth from the closed womb of His Mother, and, consequently, without opening the passage. Consequently there was no pain in that birth, as neither was there any corruption; on the contrary, there was much joy therein for that God-Man "was born into the world," according to Isaiah 35:1,2: "Like the lily, it shall bud forth and blossom, and shall rejoice with joy and praise."

    SUMMA THEOLOGICA
    Q35,A6

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    Rev. 12:2
    "And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered." (Some Protestants argue that, because the woman had birth pangs, she was a woman with sin. However, Revelation is apocalyptic literature unique to the 1st century. It contains varied symbolism and multiple meanings of the woman (Mary, the Church and Israel). The birth pangs describe both the birth of the Church and Mary's offspring being formed in Christ. Mary had no birth pangs in delivering her only Son Jesus.)
    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/73012.htm
    Isaiah 66:7
    "Before she was in labour, she brought forth; before her time came to be delivered, she brought forth a man child." (Jeremiah describes the birth pangs of Israel, like a woman in travail. Birth pangs are usually used metaphorically in the Scriptures.)
    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/27066.htm
    Gal 4:19
    "My little children, of whom I am in labour again, until Christ be formed in you." (Paul also describes his pain as birth pangs in forming the disciples in Christ. Birth pangs describe formation in Christ.)
    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/55004.htm
    Rom. 8:22
    "For we know that every creature groaneth and travaileth in pain, even till now." (Also, Paul says the whole creation has been groaning in travail before the coming of Christ. We are all undergoing birth pangs because we are being reborn into Jesus Christ.)
    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/52008.htm
    Jer. 13:21
    "What wilt thou say when he shall visit thee? for thou hast taught them against thee, and instructed them against thy own head: shall not sorrows lay hold on thee, as a woman in labour?" (Jeremiah describes the birth pangs of Israel, like a woman in travail. Birth pangs are usually used metaphorically in the Scriptures.)
    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/28013.htm
    Hos. 13:12-13
    "The iniquity of Ephraim is bound up, his sin is hidden. The sorrows of a woman in labour snail come upon him, he is an unwise son: for now he shall not stand in the breach of the children." (Ephraim is also described as travailing in childbirth for his sins. Again, birth pangs are used metaphorically.)
    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/33013.htm
    Micah 4:9-10
    "Now, why art thou drawn together with grief? Hast thou no king in thee, or is thy counsellor perished, because sorrow hath taken thee as a woman in labour? Be in pain and labour, O daughter of Sion, as a woman that bringeth forth: for now shalt thou go out of the city, and shalt dwell in the country, and shalt come even to Babylon, there thou shalt be delivered: there the Lord will redeem thee out of the hand of thy enemies." (Micah also describes Jerusalem as being seized by birth pangs like a woman in travail.)
    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/38004.htm
    Very well written CCF_Mary...
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    CCF Mary,

    Remember that rather recent thread about - How was Jesus Born - ? In the beginnings of that post I shared that a woman strong and devout told me that the Baby Jesus - did not come through the birth canal - her surmising then that this kept with the teaching that she was a Virgin Mother. I know this is like mixing apples and oranges - meaning 2 different topics. But help me if you will in words - as to what the church believes through the Doctors of the Church and Scripture.

    Am I concluding correctly that faith has it that Our Dear Blessed Mother - gave birth in a way not of the way of "usual mothers". Say for instance - St. John the Baptist's mom had a normal vaginal delivery with accompanying pains. But because Mary is the Mother of God and sinless - she delivered Jesus in a mystical way that did not interrupt her "birth canal" for lack of better words??

    And hence no pain - because it was a miraculous birth - a purely Mystical Event?

    If Mary Our Mother did have a normal vaginal delivery of Jesus, does that in anyway as this woman believed - made her unfit for the title of Virgin - hence Jesus HAD to have a mystical birth - unlike any other?

    Great Research - cool - and appreciated. In the end I hear my grade school nun saying "Agatha it is a mystery" LOL!

    Agatha

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    Saint Faustina, implore Divine Mercy for us.

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    You are "concluding correctly that faith has it that Our Dear Blessed Mother - gave birth in a way not of the way of "usual mothers""
    I have read somewhere in one of these books of personal revelations (cannot remember where but maybe Catherine Emmerich) that in a split second the Blessed Mother found Baby Jesus outside her womb. No one has to believe that -but we all have to believe what the Council of Trent has taught us:

    THE NATIVITY OF CHRIST TRANSCENDS
    THE ORDER OF NATURE

    But as the Conception itself transcends the order of nature, so the birth of our Lord presents to our contemplation nothing but what is divine.
    Besides, what is admirable beyond the power of thoughts or words to express, He is born of His Mother without any diminution of her maternal virginity, just as He afterwards went forth from the sepulchre while it was closed and sealed, and entered the room in which His disciples were assembled, the doors being shut; or not to depart from every-day examples, just as the rays of the sun penetrate without breaking or injuring in the least the solid substance of glass, so after a like but more exalted manner did Jesus Christ come forth from His mother's womb without injury to her maternal virginity. This immaculate and perpetual virginity forms, therefore, the just theme of our eulogy. Such was the work of the Holy Spirit, who at the Conception and birth of the Son so favored the Virgin Mother as to impart to her fecundity while preserving inviolate her perpetual virginity.

    CATECHISM OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT
    PART 1: THE CREED
    Article III

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCF_Mary
    You are "concluding correctly that faith has it that Our Dear Blessed Mother - gave birth in a way not of the way of "usual mothers""
    I have read somewhere in one of these books of personal revelations (cannot remember where but maybe Catherine Emmerich) that in a split second the Blessed Mother found Baby Jesus outside her womb. No one has to believe that -but we all have to believe what the Council of Trent has taught us:

    THE NATIVITY OF CHRIST TRANSCENDS
    THE ORDER OF NATURE

    But as the Conception itself transcends the order of nature, so the birth of our Lord presents to our contemplation nothing but what is divine.
    Besides, what is admirable beyond the power of thoughts or words to express, He is born of His Mother without any diminution of her maternal virginity, just as He afterwards went forth from the sepulchre while it was closed and sealed, and entered the room in which His disciples were assembled, the doors being shut; or not to depart from every-day examples, just as the rays of the sun penetrate without breaking or injuring in the least the solid substance of glass, so after a like but more exalted manner did Jesus Christ come forth from His mother's womb without injury to her maternal virginity. This immaculate and perpetual virginity forms, therefore, the just theme of our eulogy. Such was the work of the Holy Spirit, who at the Conception and birth of the Son so favored the Virgin Mother as to impart to her fecundity while preserving inviolate her perpetual virginity.

    CATECHISM OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT
    PART 1: THE CREED
    Article III
    WOW!! Silly Happy Agatha
    Saint Faustina, implore Divine Mercy for us.

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